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	<description>My OTHER other blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 06:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dropped TLA a while ago. I was going to take down my site for a few weeks and I wanted to make sure no one was paying to advertise on a site that wasn't there.

So I logged on and started to look for some way to delete my account. I couldn't figure it out. In fact, I still can't; I just mailed them to let them know I no longer wished to work with them and a few days later they mailed back saying my site had been removed from their list.

My account is still active, though, and I still get (extremely annoying) e-mails from them.

Reading this post makes me feel guilty for ever having their ads on my site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dropped TLA a while ago. I was going to take down my site for a few weeks and I wanted to make sure no one was paying to advertise on a site that wasn&#8217;t there.</p>
<p>So I logged on and started to look for some way to delete my account. I couldn&#8217;t figure it out. In fact, I still can&#8217;t; I just mailed them to let them know I no longer wished to work with them and a few days later they mailed back saying my site had been removed from their list.</p>
<p>My account is still active, though, and I still get (extremely annoying) e-mails from them.</p>
<p>Reading this post makes me feel guilty for ever having their ads on my site.</p>
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		<title>By: The Grey Area &#171; Mark on WordPress</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>The Grey Area &#171; Mark on WordPress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 19:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] search engine spamming schemes. Search engine spamming isn&#8217;t a grey area &#8212; it&#8217;s a black area. Duncan tries to lump all money-making activities that leverage Open Source software into a grey [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] search engine spamming schemes. Search engine spamming isn&#8217;t a grey area &#8212; it&#8217;s a black area. Duncan tries to lump all money-making activities that leverage Open Source software into a grey [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Christian Mohn</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Christian Mohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 13:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't see this posting until now, but have a look at http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/07/22/dropping-text-link-ads/
and http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/08/06/dropping-text-link-ads-a-followup/

Same experience, same result. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see this posting until now, but have a look at <a href="http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/07/22/dropping-text-link-ads/" rel="nofollow">http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/07/22/dropping-text-link-ads/</a><br />
and <a href="http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/08/06/dropping-text-link-ads-a-followup/" rel="nofollow">http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/2007/08/06/dropping-text-link-ads-a-followup/</a></p>
<p>Same experience, same result. <img src='http://tech.markjaquith.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chria,

I can't say for sure, but I'd guess that both things are a factor.  With a boatload of links to really bad sites, you might get your site delisted.  With just one "grey" link, you may just get a slight hit to your page rank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chria,</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say for sure, but I&#8217;d guess that both things are a factor.  With a boatload of links to really bad sites, you might get your site delisted.  With just one &#8220;grey&#8221; link, you may just get a slight hit to your page rank.</p>
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		<title>By: Chria</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Chria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Argh, Ive just suggested trying Text Link Ads to a colleague of mine working on a commercial site, based on the number of people Ive seen using them recently.

Ummmm. Ooops.  :/

I'm wondering...  Would keeping the number of links to a minimum reduce the risk of your site being flagged by Google?  Or is it more down to who you're linking to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Argh, Ive just suggested trying Text Link Ads to a colleague of mine working on a commercial site, based on the number of people Ive seen using them recently.</p>
<p>Ummmm. Ooops.  :/</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering&#8230;  Would keeping the number of links to a minimum reduce the risk of your site being flagged by Google?  Or is it more down to who you&#8217;re linking to?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Jaquith</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Jaquith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 13:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Welcome to the light side, JaredB. :-)

Alex, I checked out WP Text Ads... pretty slick, and probably a good option for high traffic sites that have enough clout to sell their own text ads.  Of course it'd be even better if it were GPL!  :-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the light side, JaredB. <img src='http://tech.markjaquith.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Alex, I checked out WP Text Ads&#8230; pretty slick, and probably a good option for high traffic sites that have enough clout to sell their own text ads.  Of course it&#8217;d be even better if it were GPL!  <img src='http://tech.markjaquith.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Alex Choo</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Choo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 06:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, 

You're spot on in your view that links without nofollow will influence SERP. Google's unhappy with such links because it compromises PageRank.

I think nofollow is critical if a paid ads program is to be seen as legitimate. That's why WP Text Ads has nofollow turned on by default.

http://www.wptextads.com/blog/2007/05/17/does-google-hate-paid-links-not-really-says-matt-cutts/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, </p>
<p>You&#8217;re spot on in your view that links without nofollow will influence SERP. Google&#8217;s unhappy with such links because it compromises PageRank.</p>
<p>I think nofollow is critical if a paid ads program is to be seen as legitimate. That&#8217;s why WP Text Ads has nofollow turned on by default.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wptextads.com/blog/2007/05/17/does-google-hate-paid-links-not-really-says-matt-cutts/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wptextads.com/blog/2007/05/17/does-google-hate-paid-links-not-really-says-matt-cutts/</a></p>
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		<title>By: FreePress Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More TLA trouble</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>FreePress Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; More TLA trouble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] developer Mark Jaquith recently posted his thoughts on the Text Link Ads issue, and I&#8217;m inclined to agree with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] developer Mark Jaquith recently posted his thoughts on the Text Link Ads issue, and I&#8217;m inclined to agree with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JaredB</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>JaredB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 20:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for laying it out there so clearly. After some of the discussions on this topic at WordCamp, I went home and decided to &lt;a href="http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/07/23/goodbye-text-link-ads/" rel="nofollow"&gt;dump TLA&lt;/a&gt;, largely because of the reasons you list here.

Interestingly enough, when I informed them that I was canceling my account, I actually got an e-mail reply from a TLA rep that used your justification #3 above, nearly word for word, as well as trying to reassure me that it would be too difficult for Google to "catch" me. I explained that while I wouldn't underestimate Google's ability to eventually track down this kind of thing, that the main point was that I didn't want to do it any more, regardless of whether I could "get away with it".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for laying it out there so clearly. After some of the discussions on this topic at WordCamp, I went home and decided to <a href="http://freepressblog.org/blog/2007/07/23/goodbye-text-link-ads/" rel="nofollow">dump TLA</a>, largely because of the reasons you list here.</p>
<p>Interestingly enough, when I informed them that I was canceling my account, I actually got an e-mail reply from a TLA rep that used your justification #3 above, nearly word for word, as well as trying to reassure me that it would be too difficult for Google to &#8220;catch&#8221; me. I explained that while I wouldn&#8217;t underestimate Google&#8217;s ability to eventually track down this kind of thing, that the main point was that I didn&#8217;t want to do it any more, regardless of whether I could &#8220;get away with it&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Scott</title>
		<link>http://tech.markjaquith.com/2007/07/25/text-link-ads-black-hat/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about:  buying and selling links will happen, TLA just makes the process a bit more transparent and efficient.

Not saying it is valid or good :-)  Disclaimer: I use TLA on one of my blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about:  buying and selling links will happen, TLA just makes the process a bit more transparent and efficient.</p>
<p>Not saying it is valid or good <img src='http://tech.markjaquith.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  Disclaimer: I use TLA on one of my blogs.</p>
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